[gseher]

gseher wrote:

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the musical value points you feel you should be getting, but think that MIDI does not deliver

…resolution…

…nice – besides OSC-support – would be to have CV-outs…maaaany of them ;o)

…at the moment I sending MIDI to an MCV24 (Doepfer) and two MT-16s (Analogue Solutions), which convert it all together into 56 CV-outs…

[gseher]

However this is implemented I would like to see the track length set by a rotary encoder and not by pressing steps…

I hate multiple button pushing… but maybe pressing the len button + turing len encoder on a selected track sets it’s length? or some such thing…

[gseher]

Hey there,

I read your elektron-users forum thread… good ideas…

I like the idea of a track being a scale base pitch effector or scale type effector on other tracks… holy melodic motion!!!

[gseher]

Thanks!!!

I guess I am wondering if there is any merit to having a default pitch assignment that is somehow more musically usefull, so that musically useful things like forcing page scales etc… are carried out logically and with musical sense…

Like with firsts thirds etc… of scales… then the relationship between notes on the page(grid etc..) could maybe be retained even when switching scales…

I like not having containers to be in… but maybe on the vertical plane within a page there is a good note layout that makes sense so that people can enter chords, or traverse up a scale etc…

Someone more well versed in music theory would have to take over from here… I’m just brainstorming out of naievete.

And this is also related to my note input from scale circle idea in the other forum area…

[gseher]

My vote falls in complete agreement with Ripe…

I do not want to use a computer to translate OSC to midi for everything I use… if someone made a hardware OSC to midi converter, then maybe I would think of buying a OSC device…

Also… Cheers to you for being so open minded and open sourcing the code… If another standard does become "the norm" then the octopus can adapt to it…

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choice_of_meat wrote:

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Default page pitch assignments

Is there a listing (RTFM! I know…) of the default pitch assignments for a page.

…first: i do not know…

…second: i doubt it, as you can sav the state of the machine to have it boot up with the current state, so every machine can be different…

…third: to fuel my crussade (not!)regarding workshops, videos and the wording of the manual – don’t you find the answer, or didn’t you bother to look?

…fourth: this time i am wrong – page 11 states clearly – so indeed: RTFM

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a particular pitch assignment for tracks 0-9 as follows: C3,
D3, E3, G3, A3, C5, D5, E5, G5, and A5.

…best wishes…

[gseher]

OK I will reply to my own thread!!!

I have loved using the Octopus without a keyboard…. I love the immediacy…

Someone else posted a thread recently about the visual layout of harmony…

To push more for using the Octopus as a live compositional tool I think it would be cool to have the default page note layout set (or user settable) then be able to transpose from the default page pitches or force to scale, FLT it etc…

Or have a way to enter steps in real time by using the pitch circle to enter notes in… even chords… (could be two handed involving holding the step button, and the held pitch notes would enter into the appropriate time slot)

So in real time instead of one pitch and hitting the step button to enter in note times.. you can hit any of the pitch circle notes and enter in note and time information, and even chords!

Sorry if others have already asked for this or if It can already be done….

[gseher]

click here for sysex file

..just in case.

[gseher]

i’ve been able to recreate this behaviour from a fresh startup. Here’s the full machine sysex.

All pages are setup to repeat twice. Go to grid mode, hit play and then jump to the other page-chain when the second page is on its second repeat. On my machine the second page in the new chain will only play once, the first time round.

Post edited by: chaosmoon, at: 2008/11/17 18:00

[gseher]

add another vote to this….very useful. i use this feature alot with the tenori-on. great for improv.

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adam wrote:

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Pretty far from Vancouver, though.

…hmmm, what a pity, been there recently, will not get there for a couple of years to come (if nothing unexpected happens)…

…on the other hand: if you come to the workshop – either as student or instructor…

…no, really: what about some more video-tutorials from the more trained/knowledgeable users? I think to remember that Gabriel has been asking for quite some time for more videos…

…dont think toooo complicated about making them; just to have some basic topic discussed with your own words and its execution shown on screen might help a lot to understand things better…

(i am still amazed regarding this {flatten=’collect,copy’}-thing; just one word made the whole thing transparent to me)

Post edited by: fairplay, at: 2008/11/17 12:44

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adam wrote:

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(Cheers for getting my tone, and not being offended!)

…hey: i really mean ‘thank you!’ – you put a lot of energy and thought into your post…

…i am near Munich…so, Stuttgart wouldn’t be far

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adam wrote:

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that you really just need time, I think. (Also, are you aware of the youtube videos?)
(…)
But asking for workshops is a lot of work for others when it sounds like maybe you haven’t spent as much time with the manual as you should.

Hi Adam,

thank you for this exhaustive feedback…

…i give you the point regarding ‘having the time spent as long as one should have’…but then: i am learning much easier by listening, communicating, touching and trying under supervision than by trying to translate a manual to self-imposed exercises…

…especially when the manual – sorry to say – is pretty difficult to read; in our example i was not able to deduct that ‘FLT-flatten’ means ‘copy, collect’. And let me assure you, that for many years now i earn my money within one of the worldst most technical jobs, reading, and ‘translating’ manuals from several manufacturers and many many different authors into workflows that i have to be able to use and recall instantly…

…i know what i am talking about here

…i know the videos on YouTube, and i think they are pointing into the right direction already – but they are too few, too unorganised and simply too short…

Last thing: i have visited a couple of workshops – and one thing i learned is that every participant had gained much from participating – the teachers as well as the students.

Having seen something being done the right way once, and then having repeated it once with an instructor allows you to remember this when you get back and try to do something on your own – it is so much easier to exchange that little bit of information one is missing from person to person than to first even realise that one is acutally missing a piece of information…

So in short: i take the blame of not knowing the Octopusses manual by heart, but your deduction is still wrong and i’ll keep asking for a workshop…

Best wishes!

[gseher]

gseher wrote:

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what you are looking for is the FLT function

…very nice, thank you, Gabriel! – and now an option to collect the copied tracks into a track of ones choice?

…i’d like to take this opportunity to spell out again, that a workshop might be really helpful for some – eg. for me :whistle: – i have been reading the manual a couple of times, but am stuck with some workflow that leaves out a lot of great features of the machine…

[gseher]

another vote for this feature. Actually i wanted to suggest it myself.

the drum patterns go nuts with this feature.

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