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Hello Monobass and Breitt, and sorry for the late reply to the topic.
There is no problem of course with my statement above, as we of course stand to it. It is hard to tell from a distance how well the machine (in this case Nemo) will suit your needs, but here some facts about the available functionality:
– You may save the full set of 64 Pages (256 tracks) to flash, so you can have them all back when you turn the machine on.
– You may export everything to SYSEX and therefore store several of these data sets outside the machine.
– You may reload data via SYSEX into the machine at playtime (without stopping the sequencer), which means you can play one portion of the data while you feed it fresh one, to be faded in later, if that is needed.
– You have the snapshot function, which allows you to remember a state of the page you are playing, let you modify anything in it (maybe change it beyond recognition) and then return to the "original" state when the snapshot was taken.
– You can also recall individual pages from flash memory, also at playtime (running sequencer). So for example you may start the machine, load it up with SYSEX data, and then during the performance gradually switch over to the internally saved data. Just one way to do things of course.Whether the Nemo "framework" is large enough to fit your music, is a question I cannot answer at this point, so you may provide some more details for discussion. Hope this helps to some degree.
Cheers,
Gabriel
Received the Nemo yesterday, and…IT’S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!! Repeating what I just wrote on the VSE webiste: "Sterling craftsmanship, extremely ergonomic, creatively inspiring and most important of all-EASY as hell to use, despite its remarkably deep capabilities. The intuitive nature of the interface makes it an absolutely joy. Before I bought it, I was concerned about the lack of any LED/LCD alphanumeric display, but oddly the machine forces you to be more creative because of this. The clever arrangement of its reassuringly tactile ball bearing buttons combined with the multi-color LED chase lights and the 4-tracks-at-a-glance page setup brings out a natural mathematical workflow that I’ve not utilized with any other sequencer."
As far as the machine state save capabilities for your purposes, monobass, I suspect that you’d be able to find a way to work within the 64 pattern-at-a-time capacity, particularly if you’re focusing mostly on live tweaking and then returning to the saved "snapshot." But, I guess that all depends on how long your pieces are. I originally voiced your very same concerns to Noisebug, and they forwarded me the following response from Gabriel of Genoqs:
"This is an interesting point and was not aware that this is actually
such a concern.
It seems to be perceived as a shortcoming, and in fact I am making the
case that it is actually state of the art.
Apparently we (genoQs) need to change the way we position this
message, as it appears
confuse the customers as to what is really available to them
functionality wise at that end. Here my thoughts:An Octopus page is immensely powerful by itself, it includes several
program change commands, CCs, and
sequence information, etc, so in the end it can be considered
analogous to a patch on a synthesizer.
Remember that what people know to be a "step sequence", is what we
call a "track" on the Octopus/Nemo,
and a page holds 10 / 4 of those.On synths you create multis, for more complex structures, and so can
you do on Octopus, by grouping pages
together either visually (all over the matrix, as you fancy) or
formally using the 16 page group slots available.You also have a global state, i.e. parameters that apply to everything
in the machine, and this again is separate.So now – saving one full machine state to flash means that every
single page, plus the global
settings are stored to flash, so you can pick up work where you left
it off the next time you
turn on the machine. Until now we chose to pack this all up into one
single operation, simply for ease of use.Furthermore, you can use the MIDI SYSEX route to save pages externally
and load them back, as you would
with synth patches too. Or you save banks of pages (up to 16 pages at
once), of which we have 9 concurrently
in the memory, the global machine setting, or of course the full
machine state.So in the end, my point is that functionality wise the save operation
is only different by context (sequencer as
opposed to synth) from what people know already. They may just not
realize that.
And they may also not realize that you will seldomly need to use a
majority of the available sequencing space
for just one application (i.e. session, track, jam, etc.).These are just my thoughts, and please let me know if this story makes
sense to you.
If it does not, we’ll talk again. If it does, I’ll try to adjust our
own messaging along these same lines, to correct
this glitch in the image of the machine.Cheers,
Gabriel
PS- to answer your question about saving more states in the flash –
there are technical barriers that prevent us
from doing that."Monobass-hopefully that helps (although I didn’t completely comprehend some of what Gabriel was talking about).
P.S.-Gabriel, if you read this, I hope it was OK to reprint your e-mail; if not, you could delete the post.
Hello, I mean the repeat value of pages. Good to hear that a solution is coming with the new OS. Thanks! /Bo
Hello Bo,
there is a reported bug similar to what you describe related to the repeat value of pages. Is that what you mean? That fix is coming with the next OS release.
Or do you actually mean step repeats as triggered by a custom play direction, which you have edited in the direction editor?
Gabriel…, I forgot: you get an URL like
[code:1]rdelen.nl/NL/index.php[/code:1]
where you can try to replace the
[code:1]NL[/code:1]
with a language you can read and understand (I know that DE works)…
Post edited by: fairplay, at: 2008/09/30 18:16
…I have built a case for my Etherwave-Pro Theremin, and I plan to do so for the Octopus also…
…for the EW-Pro-case I have used a ‘custom-kit’ from http://www.flightcase-onderdelen.nl/ …
…while these ‘kits’ (you tell them exactely what size you want – and they cut it, put in all required parts and you just put it all together) are not perfect – and I had to build mine without the promised instuctions-manual (it was just not included with my shipment) – you get a robust case in the end, which is trustworthy for your precious equipment…
Hello –
Hello everyone…Gabriel – Finally was able to post here… Firefox never seemed to handle logging in…
Rachel – Considering your background that I gleaned from your other site posts…
Maybe try to not route through the computer…
I just route from the Octo -> synths (set for individual channels) then audio path -> computer..
So the switch is really away from using the computer as a compositional tool, and more as a straight audio editor… Again, in the same line of work as you… this was huge for me…
Unless you want to record the midi, and then go from there… sometimes I do use a softsynth like BFD2… but I have gotten to a point where I am using them mostly in stand alone mode…
Also, as someone else stated… midi timing is really bad on computers… computers are not optimized for time dependent processing… they get hosed very easily… I ran into this alot in the past… why are my tracks not lining up?… etc… Arghh…
Maybe go like you mentioned: Octopus: midi outs-> AMT’s -> synths set to proper midi channels… (you will have to midi filter if any of your synths are omni only)
So my vote would be to simplify and the Octopus’s elegence and power will certainly keep your brain working enough on musicaly ideas…
On the PC the AMT can only reroute ports but not individual channels, I presume that’s the same on the MAC.
So you’d may need to do something there, logic used to have environments (I used it at the time that it was available on the PC) didn’t it?
And the Capital Q as every electronic musician knows
is the shorthand term for "seQuencer", ie:Q80
SQ80
MSQ100
JSQ60
SQD10etc etc
rachel
robert wrote:
Quote:Hi Rachel, welcome to the forum.I’m using my Octo as a sync master, and feed the clock + midi into 2 AMT8 units. All my gear is connected to the AMT8s. Works great. No computer in the path, straight lines.
Of course, when I *do* what computer involvement I just start up the needed software and the AMT8 units switch to computer mode, such that all of the MIDI ports are made available to the software. (Don’t forget that you *can* switch the AMT8s back to standalone mode, even with software connected.)
The fact that Logic 8 cannot slave to midi clock sucks big time. Logic has always been the better slaving DAW of them all imo. Hope they fix this flaw soon.
Octopus and a bunch of vintage synths… wow.
How do you use the AMT with the Octopus to map the correct Port & MIDI Channel? Do you have all your instruments attached to different Ports on the AMT
but with different MIDI channels? Do then attach both pairs of MIDI ports of the Octopus to the 2 AMT’s?I had a look in the AMT/Unitor control
panel and I can see the MIDI filter, but it is not clear how to map?In Logic, I foresee just using
the Channel splitter and route to any Instrument
I’ve created a track for and Octopus will drive it
just fine. I use a lot of MIDI clock. I use the various arpeggiators and sequencers I have to synch
together with the computer as master and then layer things.I intend to take the same approach with
Octopus except it will be the master sequencer
and use Logic to capture the MIDI events and audio.I am really looking forward to getting this. It
is certainly going to change the way I create music!rachel
