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what exactly do you mean by the "o’clock" style of switching?
is that like quantizing the timing of the switch so things stay in sync?Hey Robert,
Unfortunately Moog have that on their todo list
They are a small company with a lone OS coder. In the mean time I will have to live without control of cutoff and add it as one of my hopes for the Octofuture 
By the way what do you think about the potential idea of managing (10 mcc data tracks )within the track data structure i know of course spare tracks can be used, but I do not find it an intuitive or efficient workflow. Particularly when handling tracks with lots of mcc param data.
I did a small conceptual design of how this idea could be realised on the octopus(a truly fascinating read;) ).http://genoqs.net/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=132&func=view&id=565&catid=6
Many thanks sgsin for your help.
Wilson
oops, i misunderstood the "bank" definition. Yes, immediate switching horizontally per bank would be great. My apologies for the confusion.
however, the o’clock style of switching is also handy, more-so with melodies. So i still believe the option to use both would be best.
I put in a few hours, (which resulted in the video) to have another look at the interface in a live situation.
How about something like a "shift" option on mutator buttons (bank-mutes) in grid-live mode when "SEL" is pressed/held. As i see it now your using "red" or "off" to indicate the mute state, so with SEL held "green" or "orange" to indicate o’clock or immediate switching for each bank?
Here’s my attempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf2bDE9aJug
..not exactly a "slow, concise picture of the machine’s actual workflow."
and the youtube severs seem to have re-encoded at least the audio of my .flv file so its a bit gritty. I gotta read up on getting files by them un-mangled. They’ve changed it again.
Post edited by: chaosmoon, at: 2008/11/24 10:49
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your response. Indeed 14bit pitch bend messages do work correctly. Actually pitch bend is the exception in the case of 14 bit mcc sorry for not making that very clear in my post. The trouble I am having in the case of the moog LP is with the filter cutoff and the mod wheels which the LP transmits as 14bits mcc. when in record mode the octopus does not recognise the incomming 7bit msg pair as a 14bit type rather it tries to lock onto them as separate mcc’s. the result is scrambled input when recording and in the case learning the 14bit mcc to a mixer map this does not work at all.
I was wondering if it is possible to extend the same functionality thats working well for the pitch bend to other 14bit mcc’s.
many thanks
Wilson
OK, let me try to bring it all together in a bundle..
Here is what we have:
a) Modify LEN factor using the LEN encoder in a direct way, or modulate via step events.
b) Modify the number of steps in a track using step skips. Not a modulation target.
c) Modify the time a track takes to play using tempo multipliers. Not a modulation target.Here is what we (realistically want):
– For a): leave it alone – it’s useful!
– For b): enable the old operating way along with the new way. It conflicts with the track MUT functionanlity, but gives significant speed and as long as the new way works along, it’s not a tragedy.
– For c): make it a modulation target and easy to operate.So the work is in c). I have some ideas that I need to try out. As always, no guarantees at this point
OK, see your point. I think – trying to rephrase in different terms, and making sure I understand.
In my proposed method you’d have to use a single bank (button row) for the pages you want to switch between quickly, which means you have at most 16 pages that you can interchange, as there are 16 pages in a bank. In that case you would have the percussion covered by a bank (row of buttons, i.e. 16) and the other three banks (3×16 pages) free for other instruments.
I can see how it would be beneficial to remove that constraint from the banks. That would allow you to stack stuff at random. You could work around that by muting / unmuting the bank, or have an empty page play in the bank (in the last position for example..) Remember though that only the pages within the same bank are mutually exclusive at playtime.
So it’s now not clear to me – do you want to freely "switch between" pages, or freely "stack content" of pages – or both. My impression was that you area after switching, which means we need to stay within a bank.
Just to clarify here – we are talking about ‘skipping’ steps right? i.e. the sequencer ignores the step altogether as if it doesn’t exist… muting afaik is the same as ‘toggling’ i.e. turning the step off – but it is still counted as a step (just one that doesn’t trigger anything) – i think some people may be a little confused because of the terminology and thread title.
The old len encoder stuff was a little bit handy to have for quickly changing the track length, but i think it’s much better as it is now changing the LEN factor – mostly because the track length stuff can be done pretty easily/quickly anyway by selecting x steps and skipping them whereas the increasing the LEN factor of a track would be very tedious (i assume you would have to go through step by step and increase the LEN)
Are you talking to me?
if so…You are right it’s no secret… I’m after a manipulating track tempo multipliers with step events or the effector, but I have asked that even in a separate thread some time ago, I think it would create some exciting rhythmic possibilities (I don’t know if and how it’s doable and whether anyone else could be interested in it) .
The fact that mutes determine the length of a track it’s totally understood, then in another thread I said it was bit of a pain the new mute mechanism, that’s why I proposed that convoluted alternate way here in this thread.
But I got worried :dry: when I misunderstood(?) the intention to replace the length modifier for a shorten a track facility. Having understood the misunderstanding I’m cool
now.my fear is that your suggested mode will only work vertically meaning that i’ll have to use all 16 tracks to be able to chop up 4 beat patterns instead of being able to have 4 tracks dedicated to beat chopping on the horizontal plane, leaving me with 12 tracks (less when chained) for other instruments.
If i just wanted a fun toy i would have bought a tenori-on
Since you asked to hear from me..
It does seem that what you are really after is not modifying the track length as in the number of steps it is playing, but the duration that a track is taking to play. That is very different from changing the number of steps you are actually playing.
But my assumption may be wrong, so do let me know.I think that the current solution of determining the number of steps in a track works quite well for most users, and the LEN factor mapped to the LEN encoder is also one of my personal favorites, ever since it appeared there
I subscribe to Ripe’s comment on that one.Cheers,
GabrielThe question is what additional value a three mode implementation would provide over a one mode value, at the cost of the complexity associated with understanding and controllong the three modes. I feel that for 5% less functionality we could get rid of 50% of the complexity and increase the fun by 100% at the same time
Ok I have this idea (it’s not mine but it doesn’t matter)
Muting by range.
To mute/unmute step 1 2 3 4 press step 1 and 4 and then press mute
To mute/unmute steps other than 1 2 3 4 press step 4 and 1 and then press mute or press step 5 and 16 then press mute.
For any single step mute press the step and then mute (as per current implementation).
The question is whether the functionality should mute or toggle mutes (probably it should mute).
It’s not "modulatable" but it makes it pretty fast to mute a range of steps.
Ideas?
Post edited by: zinoff, at: 2008/11/21 20:44
