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Good to hear the beta OS proves to be reliable after all. I never had a problem with it. Of course, that was before I began to tweak it.
I wonder now what went wrong during your first attempt…
The phrases are not meant to be used as an alternative to an arpegiator, but more as a replacement pattern to be played where normally a step would be played. The step ‘triggers’ the pattern.
This way you can run at a relaxed tempo where each step represents a 16th of a bar, and have a step trigger a pattern of 32nd notes.
It’s probably even possible to combine the pattern with the random note pool feature and have the pattern play partly.
Okay, 14308 is the beta OS indeed.
When you installed the beta, did you CLR the memory and save it? The song data stored in flash by 14111 is not compatible with the beta OS. Not clearing the data could cause those problems.
Okay, I have nice idea for the STA values. Negative (blinking) values are interpreted as strum offsets and use the exponential scale that we are used to. Positive values are interpreted as 48 PPQN values, used for phrases. This way we are free to use the 31 slots any way we like.
Okay, Herr Engel, now I’m curious.
What OS version are you referring to, and how did you crash it so often? Any spicy details?I actually like the MUT+step key combo. To me it has good semantics, even though it leaves me with only one hand to change steps.
The fact that tracks get unmuted when you just want to mute a step, that’s a problem of course, and it should be fixed. The tracks should only be unmuted when you haven’t done anything else with the MUT button.
Post edited by: robert, at: 2008/08/14 17:23
I like the idea of the extra step grabbing as a modifier! Definitely worth looking into.
The general issue I have with adding modifier keys though is that their introduction will cause a whole new series of button combos to be added, and I have to remember even more keyboard shortcuts.
The problem is that the front panel layout is carved in stone, no way to add buttons, and no way to have dynamic button labels. So everything extra we come up with will need some esoteric button shortcut that is not supported by the front panel. How much of these magic extras can one handle? Will the machine benefit from these new features, in the end?
Of course I love to add and use new features. Some come natural, like the added monitoring and rechanneling stuff. Some add complexity. I’m just saying that we’ll have to be careful.
zinoff wrote:
The key combination is a bit unhortodox as it mixes a track property operation with selecting step… but it depends on what everyone else thinks
Thanks, /R[/quote]Yes, that’s my problem too. Let’s look for a better way.
Maybe I’ve found a nice UI way to rotate the mute attribute, though not perfectly ‘correct’. In Page mode, and with Edit mode enabled (orange), press and hold a muted step and turn the POS knob. Afaik, this combo is still available.
And as a bonus we can do the same on normal (non muted, or green) steps. This would rotate all but the mute state, or in other words, this would roate the note data underneath the static mute lights. This is I think what Gabriel suggested.
Post edited by: robert, at: 2008/08/13 11:43
This is doable. You could use the Play button when already playing to specify the taps. Of course that doesn’t work when in Stop mode. Any suggestion for the key to be used for this?
Who else would like to see this?
zinoff wrote:
Quote:robert wrote:
What if we provide a way where where only the muted steps are rotated?That’d be it…[/quote]
So what we would need is an alternative way to turn the POS knob that only rotates the mute status bit of the steps, nothing else. That is, the mute status is transferred to the previous or next step(s).
I was thinking of using the POS knob in the MIX block for that, but of course that breaks semantics. Those are used already.
zinoff wrote:
Quote:It’s limited, limiting, the sounds are average the effects are bad [master effects only. reverb, chorus, flange], some useful stuff is hidden in menus such as the Octopus Align equivalent, duration is set for all notes, no accents on steps, no internal mono mode (no glide), neither CC control nor controllers over the sound (ADSR, Filter etc..) … and so on.. The sampling is there, totally limited [not even pitch up or down of samples], with unusually slow load times as in all Yamaha sampling products, but it’s there (in theory 3 banks of 16 1 second stereo samples).But it has amazing usability and ergonomics, it’s totally intuitive, it’s fun. You pick it up and it’s hard to let it go, the fact that it has little speakers and it’s battery operated means that you can just pick it up and use it. I have no interest in using it as a controller, for me it’s just for the sheer fun of picking up a different instrument to play.
If you have any questions, ask… (if Gabriel and Marcel don’t mind).
Great review, thanks. Nice to see the TO reviewed by an Octo user.
So it dramatically limited, but very inspriring. At least for a while. When it was first introduced on the web, I was VERY interested. But when the first reports of its limitations trickled in, I no longer wanted it. Love the UI and the whole approach, but it just needs a major v2.0 OS upgrade imo.
A wall clock mode? Omg…
Besides the rotate feature you requested, is there anything else from the TO that you’d like to see implemented on the Octo/Nemo? Like a top 3 of things?
Regarding getting a Nemo next to an Octopus, I’ve been considering that too. I want to do a live project with the Octopus, but since the machine is so big (which I love in the studio), maybe the Nemo is a great idea. Of course, I must be able to port my Octo songs to the Nemo, and vice versa. The other possible issue is the different UI of the Nemo. I’m not sure if it would confuse me too much.
